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broadsword_uk
November 6, 2010, 6:56am Report to Moderator
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I've only played for around 6 hours and it's done very well. I suppose you will get losing days and whether your total winnings earn more than you lose will be the longer term test. There are people here playing this longer than me and I use the variation as suggested of stopping between 25 to 30 spins when all bets are reset to the base stake. Ive traded Forex before and this is no worse or better than that - every day cant be a winning day.
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Twisteruk
November 12, 2010, 3:04am Report to Moderator
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I went bust within playing this system for half an hour! Has anyone else gone bust so quick?








Yes. Adolar did with his first 8 numbers  
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broadsword_uk
November 17, 2010, 10:39am Report to Moderator
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Are you still going well with this Twister?
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nanzinhuw
December 10, 2010, 12:17pm Report to Moderator
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Hello,
Someone can try this system in this casino:
http://www.luckysamurai.com/

I want to start using the system, but I have little money, and I do not know this casino pays .....
Bets start at $ 0.01 so it would be good for me to start with the system.
Thanks members.
PM who try
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ausguy
December 11, 2010, 1:10am Report to Moderator
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Hi people, 1st timer here but have read heaps on a lot of the threads here & most pretty good. I've just recently retired (yeah another old fart). I live in Sydney metro area Australia & the only live casino here in the state (monopoly) is Sydney Star City. The worrying trend, in my view,is their push ( & in their other interstate casino's too) for more video games,both cards & roulette. It seems if they had their way they would phase out live tables altogether = less dealers & more RNG manipulation = more busted punters & even fatter profits - their greed has no bounds. Now onto the betting system/method of twisteruk. Is'nt his name a play on twister from the U K ? Anyone calling it stupid needs to look in the mirror. TOTALLY AGREE WITH MANY HERE ABOUT ONLINE RNG. AVOID LIKE THE PLAGUE. ME BURNT MANY TIMES IN PAST MONTHS.ONLINE CASINO BEAT ME 14 NIL. FOR ME A LIVE WHEEL IS THE  ONLY CHANCE. I've been playing live roulette since 2001 & I have (among many) a fairly similar play routine as twister. I have'nt used it for yonks as my money management back then was poor = busted. Today I had a bit of a look at the results posted here. I'd be looking to add  a zero bet stop loss into the mix, SL,  to ease the risk of hitting a high level wipeout. Remember each of the 3 bet columns have their own individual bet progressions. To win on the SL e.g. I would 1st put it into effect say after 3rd staight loss = a zero bet until a $0 win,say e.g 7 straight loses then $0 SL win & and $ money win on 4th progression & back to min. If no SL then total losses would have been 3 losers before SL and 7 losers after = 10 straight loses. The live casino here only allows 6 martingale dbl ups 1:1 min $25 - max $1,000 (inside allows multi bets $5 any/all 37 through to $5 - $600 on 6 line or 7 if one uses the $50 - $2k table). Naturally a less agressive progression may be more successful?  If lose at 4th money bet then go with SL again & repeat. Of course it still might not save the day & still send you to the wall but it does extend the depth and therefore should decrease the risk of failure. Testing will provide the proof. To be a winner with this does need 2 wins in a row, Zero winner + money $ winner but generally it should limit the risk of falling over the cliff. I also did a small test with some of twisters results. The main thing I looked at was switching the alternating bet lines after 4 spins. I'LL NEED TO RE- DO THE TEST AS I SPILT SOME WATER ON THE PAPER AND THE INK RAN (old age). I do everything manually as I have yet to get up to speed on excel etc.  Lets call 1/18, E, R = A.  &  19/36, O, B = B. So we start the 1st 4 bets being A,B,A,B. Then the 5th is a zero $ bet to enable the reversal ( you could even use every 5th bet elsewhere on the layout.I went with the 2:1 bets 12's = 2 & 3 fixed. In twisters 76 spins I got 11 wins & 3 losses (a double & 1 single on the 2:1 sub play)Triple up $ progression would be used there. Then from line 6 go A,B,A,B & zero again on the tenth line. Lines 6 - 9 are the revese of lines 1 - 4. So every 10 lines is a set &  is just repeated for the next 10 and cont. I would also swicheroo the line sequence for the natural numerical advantage of 10 odd reds vs 8 even reds & 10 even blacks vs 8 odd blacks. This would then be L, O, R & H, E, B. The 76 spins had 7 full sets = 70 lines + 6/10 of another full set. SL on any run of losses are treated the same as any bet i.e. spin result- process all in that line, then start it all again on the next line. It would be wise to have a set of pre made bet sheets with you, otherwise "fatal"errors may occur & send you over a cliff. I make up a bet master sheet ( a 2 stage process to get 25 x 40 bet line sheets = 1,000 bet lines, once on rapid   roulette = touch screen terminals + live dealer & wheel & 60 spins an hour I got to 1000+ = spins in just over 17 hours boy was I tired, had to have a full rest day.It would have been better  to go 2 x 8-9 hour days = same same, the rapid roulette has since been removed from Star City?  re with extra RNG going in, it's a shame for us punters [monopoly]). The bet sheets have  columns for bet numbers,spin results, 3 columns for H/L,O/E & R/B + a $ +/- column. I get 3 bet sheets per A4 page. I run off copies at the local print store 6c per copy. 9 sheets each cut into 3 gives the 1,000 + bet lines. With the bet positions preset then you record the spin result, then tick or cross (win or loss) in the 3 outside bet lines (with your relevant progression $ bet written) then tally your running $ +/-. Sticking to the presets listed on the bet sheets coupled with a suitable progression helps you to be a more disciplined player and helps avoid emotional illogical bets. Another important aspect is it saves you time as 70% of the info is already preprinted & so much easier and less complex to manage in comparison to writing it up as you go on the casinos cards or doing it in your head. The Discipline I think about is in that  movie Zulu where the riflemen are holding the line with the repetitious LOAD AIM FIRE as the Zulus charge in. Could we be likened to the riflemen & the Casinos the Zulus? The Zulus' eventually wiped them all out. Lets hope we can turn the tables here, so to speak?

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Monty
December 11, 2010, 1:37am Report to Moderator
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please paragraph your posts next time, it makes for much easier reading
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ADulay
December 11, 2010, 2:24am Report to Moderator

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Uh, do they have paragraphs in Australia?

AD


PS   When I was still working I hit Sydney twice a month for several years.  Loved it.
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ausguy
December 11, 2010, 2:35am Report to Moderator
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yes sir, Mr Monty, give a first timer some latitude, yeah; as I'm not used to the generous space allowed on this site compared to a lot of other forums. Which is why I kept it tight like that.  I do know how to paragraph etc. so next time all will be well.  On the technical side, how about some input on twisters ideas ? It's somewhat lame what you did write.
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ausguy
December 11, 2010, 2:37am Report to Moderator
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Of course we have paragraphs, we invented them.
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Twisteruk
December 11, 2010, 3:32am Report to Moderator
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Quoted from ausguy
Is'nt his name a play on twister from the U K ?


Yes, indeed it is  



Anyone calling it stupid needs to look in the mirror.



I appreciate you defending my good name Sir, thank you  




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nanzinhuw
December 12, 2010, 12:20am Report to Moderator
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Hello,
Someone can try this system in this casino:
http://www.luckysamurai.com/

I want to start using the system, but I have little money, and I do not know this casino pays .....
Bets start at $ 0.01 so it would be good for me to start with the system.
Thanks members.
PM who try


I lose my $8  
Dont use this casino guys.
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ausguy
December 13, 2010, 4:44am Report to Moderator
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[b][/b]Nanzi - Today I found a betting sheet, in a cleanup, known as the Pluscoup Progression bet method. Google that
& you will get plenty of  free info there.  
There are some aspects of the progression that can be compared to Oscars Grind. The forums discuss all this too.

Both systems have very gradual progressions and should help preserve your bank roll.
Basically it's bet small, win small & keep your bankroll, of course a loss can always be just around the corner any way
you bet  -  but that's gambling.

With your $8 stake you're way short of a reasonable Bank roll. 10c minimum RNG online casinos that I have seen
have a $40 top limit. I suggest that's what you should aim for, a $40 Wad min.
That then provides you with 400 x 10c betting units. $8 only gave you 80 units. Tell us how you bet & lost your $$$?

Your 8 bucks was just 20% of $40. With Pluscoup or Oscar, 400 units covers a tremendous amount of bet lines
@ 10c per unit bet on losers until you get a win. In the case of  long losing streaks a zero bet safety format could easily
be incorporated into your strategy.

You'd have to be very unlucky to hit 30 straight losers, possible but I've never seen it occur in actual bet play. If it did, a wise punter would ride out the storm by being on a zero bet heaps sooner or better still be actually riding that streak.
Some online sites prevent a zero bet i.e. every spin must have a money bet placed, so keep that in mind too.
Some you can do it with via bet/clear/spin = zero bet.

The Plascoup example just sat on all black only bets & had 23 losses & 19 wins
for 42 bet  lines. The deepest bet level reached was L7 & a win.         @ 10c min. it gave 90c profit.

An option for you would be to have a betting partner ($20 ea.) & to book the progression bettings. Many online RNG
roulette games have a  bet play only option & with the animated spin mode off. You probably already know this?

This allows a RNG to give fast results, about 1 spin every 5 seconds  = 12 spins/min & about 700 spins/hr.

At that spin rate 1 person would probably struggle to process the betting sheet.

  Otherwise do it slower @ say 10 second intervals = 350 spins/hr.

  Using the Pluscoup 42 bet line sheet as an example & assuming a repeat bet pattern of results then @ 350 spins/hr
42 spins would take 7.2 mins. for + 90c.profit.    & 1hr & 350 spins for +$7.50 profit.
  
  After 5 hrs 20 mins you will have made a $40/100% profit with 1,867 spins (wowee!).
  Lots of bet sheets needed for that.

Even if it takes you 6 months or longer to save the $$, wait, be patient, don't gamble and do it to optimise
your chances..

  While you are getting your bankroll together you could hone your bet progression strategy, including bet sheets
( master sheet & photocopy) on the free bet modes that many casinos offer. Practice, practice, practice.
  

  Afterall it's basically free apart from your time & internet costs. What's your internet position?
   Like do you have your own computer? How would you manage playing for, say 6 hours?


Casinos love all the punters who gamble with insufficient banks both live & online.
For them it's easy money as they laugh all the way to the bank..

I read some time ago that 98% of punters lose, anyone (who looks closely ) can see that low starting $$$
(restricts progression & Speeds your demise) & illogical (often emotional) betting are the main reasons for them
busting/skint/ gone/broke/running on empty/skid row = same same.

There's a lot of discussion on the forums about RNG vs Live, so I won't delve into that debate here except to say that
I prefer a live B & M casino. I win more often live & sometimes on big screen RNG Vegas Star roulette at the local club
but rarely RNG online.
       ( Many clubs & pubs here are large & very luxurious & in many suburbs. Funded by their gaming profits)

  New South Wales State (Sydney) is the poker = slot  machine capital of the world. Of the worlds 1 million
  slots, 100,000/10% are here & the state population is about 5 million. Clubs, pubs & casinos thrive on them.

So the rest of the worlds 6 billion + people share the other 90%. Many none, others plenty.

Betting is also huge on horse,dog & sports betting also. Gambling debt is a massive problem here.

Sydney's (monopoly) Star City casino has a @ $25 min - $1,000 max. limits on their live roulette tables.  

$1k pw here is a reasonable wage for many people but rents are expensive $400 pw +, Fruit & tomatoes $5 - $6 kg.

So, many things are relative.   Critical $ mass I think they call it.  $50 here is not all that much but e.g. in Asia
it would be close to 2 weeks pay I believe?

       Anyway Nanzi I hope all this is some of interest to you.      
                                                  
                                                                                                                        Cheers  ausguy.
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nanzinhuw
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Ok. So here are the levels of progression I use. You can use ure own if you prefer, but make sure you have 8 levels.

Mine are
1 Unit
3 Units
7 Units
15 Units
31 Units
63 Units
127 Units
255 Units
Over 95% of bets have won by level 6 (63)
Ive never lost on a level 8 (255) yet. I do hit level 8 (255) usually once every few days.

Yes if level 8 (255) losses then you lose.

So this is how we kick off

Place 1 chip on 1-18 and Even and Red

If you win on any of the 3 bets you stay at level 1
If any lose or win then you SWITCH to 19-36 Odd and Black
You ALWAYS switch regardless if you Win or Lose
So if a run of reds hit ure win when you switch

The ONLY time you will lose completely is if ALL 8 Levels are the opposite to your Switch. It hasnt happened to me yet. But I know it could sometime. Hence this is the closest ive come to a Holy Grail

Most times you will have different levels running as you play, so use a pen and paper to help yourself if you need too.
For example
bet 1-18 Even Red (1 chip on each) and 36 hits
Ure next bets would be 3 chips 19-36 1 chip Odd 1 chip Black


I lost my $8 using this mothod /\
But I think the casino is a scam, had heard that nobody wins in these casinos browser, but I was curious and tried it.
Anyone know a trustworthy casino that accepts a $ 0.01 minimum bet for roulette?
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ausguy
December 13, 2010, 11:47am Report to Moderator
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nanzi - you should read my previous post  161  more carefully, especially about progression & insufficient bank.
You combined a DOOMED TO FAIL i.e. a too agressive  progression ,combined  with an 10c / $8 insufficient
betting capital? Why only $8? and then because you lost you call it a scam? What would you have called it if you
had of won?  Also what part of the world are you?  Whats your betting setup? I have a good home P C.

This loss put you into that 98% losing group (can you hear the casino bean counters laughing?).

Besides $8 is very small capital in the general casino betting world scheme. Some casinos have a USD $40 min. deposit.

E.G. BVI group casinos (British Virgin Islands) such as Yukon Gold,Blackjack Ballroom etc.

I've used Casino Tropez with mixed success. With me they're ahead. They have 10c roulette and small $$ deposits ok.

At the end of the day it's you against the RNG. A system tough to beat but some people do win.?I remember one betting

session early Nov. 2010 with Tropez. Starting with a $100 bank @ $1 (10c min was available) I was $715 in profit after

11 hours of betting. 1 hour later I was bust. As my winnings increased so too did I up my min.bet After getting to
+ $500 I was starting at $20. I was betting on R/B alternating with a basic double up off the $1. I made the common
mistake of chasing losses. The smart thing would have been to cash out when the balance dropped 10%. Live & learn,
most of us are doing that, which is why we are on this forum.

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ausguy
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Nanzi - have you examined Plascoup Progession & Oscars Grind at all? To have the best possible chance of winning
you need to have a personal betting plan. This is achieved through research,testing & preparation. Only then should
move on to $$$$ betting.
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